DIY Quad Build?..

Rob Lancaster

Well-Known Member
Hi guys!
Today my brother come over with his quad. I forgot the make but its super cool. The camera is great, even in very low light and it gimbals every which way. I'm very impressed at what it can do. But it does have one draw back. For example, it has a preprogrammed altitude limiter that can be a real pain. At my house the max alt, is only 194 feet. A few miles down the road, it'll go thousands of feet.

I was thinking, is it possible to build my own small quad with a camera that would go anywhere? What would it take to make that happen?
 

RandyDSok

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At my house the max alt, is only 194 feet. A few miles down the road, it'll go thousands of feet.

I'm pretty sure that is caused by FAA restrictions that the quad is following. I think it is based on the distance to an airport that you are flying by. I think there is also a max altitude you are allowed to fly elsewhere away from airports as well.
 

D.O.G.

Goblin 380 Supporter
I'm pretty sure that is caused by FAA restrictions that the quad is following.
What I know that you can't fly by any airport within 5 miles, and the altitude max is 400ft. That's by me, but I think it's all drones/quads that applies too.
 

Rob Lancaster

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Hi guys, yeah, I know it's because I live close to the Marine Base across the bay. The drone has the ole altitude limiter which is a pain in some cases. That's why I want to know if I could make my own mini drone with a good camera on it? Or do I need to be an MIT graduate to build my own?
 

RandyDSok

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Hi guys, yeah, I know it's because I live close to the Marine Base across the bay. The drone has the ole altitude limiter which is a pain in some cases. That's why I want to know if I could make my own mini drone with a good camera on it? Or do I need to be an MIT graduate to build my own?

I wouldn't try to judge someone I only know casually at best... I would suggest listing some of the specs you want to have the quad to have and perhaps, DOG would have some suggestions for parts to consider. I know there are a "million" directions you could take from tiny to large alone not to mention how fast or slow you want it to go.
 

Rob Lancaster

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Ok, lets see what the mission requirements would be.
Size: on the small quiet side
Speed: med/low
Altitude: two/ three thousand feet
Fully gimbaled high end low to no light and IR (white hot) capable camera
Flight time/ loyder time: 30 minutes
GPS capable for dis and dat
Flight goggles/ headset
Flight controls and TX/RX equipment needed


Could I use my Gen 1 Spektrum DX8? No way right? HA! Remember, I know nothing about these aircrafts but want to learn more about them.
Thanks guys..........
 

D.O.G.

Goblin 380 Supporter
You're correct on your TX not being able to use it if you want use some sort of gimbal. As for size of frame, I would go with a 7" for steady filming. As for altitude anything flying over 400ft your looking for trouble with the FAA. As long as you don't get caught you can fly at that height but if you do, I've heard FAA start your fine at $50,000 to set an example for breaking the rules. Something to think about. Too many idiots made flying drone or quad a dangerous hobby instead of a fun hobby by flying around airport, people, unrestricted area and so on. You can get commercial license instead of recreational license that cost more money and big brother will be watching you...big time. The war in Ukraine using drones to attack and destroy the enemys. That does make the FAA nervous with ordinary flyers and what they are capable of doing with their drone or quad.
 

RandyDSok

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Fully gimbaled high end low to no light and IR (white hot) capable camera

"no light" and IR camera's are one and the same. They are referred to as "no light" simply because they are outside the range of normal vision. Sony makes a sensor that is very low light and can see color at a point even that they refer to as a starlight sensor. Sorry I can't help suggest a good gimble camera with either feature, I only know about the other from looking at WiFi cameras for the house.
 

D.O.G.

Goblin 380 Supporter
First you need to decide if you want analog or HD for camera use. My self I'm using analog instead of HD because I can't afford it. HD is the new way to fly.
 

Rob Lancaster

Well-Known Member
First you need to decide if you want analog or HD for camera use. My self I'm using analog instead of HD because I can't afford it. HD is the new way to fly.

Heck I'd go HD for sure,
As for the idiots near airports and such, shame, shame!! Yeah the reason I would want a high flight ceiling is because of the shear mountain cliffs near me. I can be clear of any aircraft coming and going from the Marine base or anywhere, no problem. I sure wouldn't want to interfere with those awesome crews.
 

Rob Lancaster

Well-Known Member
Hey how bout this approach...
For now, is it possible to get just a camera setup from one of those already flying drones? Without buying the whole drone?
 

RandyDSok

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Let me preface this by reminding everyone I have no experience in this area... The following is just using "business man" logic to point out details that would need to be looked into before the venture.

The first thing to address, the flight controllers that you can get individually. Are they not also going to have the same restrictions built in if they are also including GPS based flight? If they do as I would expect, then you would have to also be able to use an open source program that can do the same but would allow you to code it so it doesn't have those same restrictions in it. You may be able to work around those restrictions by locating a controller made before the laws were implemented ... maybe.

I would assume that most of the multi-copters with camera's are likely using integrating electronics for everything they can to keep the build costs down ( as well as keeping the weight down ) where they can. If you also narrow your search for ones that also have gimbal systems ( probably with built in stabilization as well )... they are almost certainly integrated systems that at most allow the use of different levels of cameras so they can vary their product lines. If we are also talking about a large company that is building enough to get a decent individual build cost discount ( ie build at scale ) and they are integrated as I am assuming, you end up with the same flight height restrictions still.

In the camera direction with a possible compromise direction that still allows a lot of options is the Insta360 GO 3S. It doesn't have gimbals but since it records 360° in one direction, you can edit the video to provide you whatever field of view you want in the end up to the 360° FOV. It also has built in stabilization. This coming in at a whopping 1.4 ounces ( 39 grams ). Just strap it on the front ( or where ever ) of the aircraft, hit record and go flying. Edit the resulting video after you get it back. Recharge the unit and go again if you wish. At around $270 they aren't cheap but neither are the gimbal camera's that I've seen that aren't even made for RC applications. Of course I don't believe this camera has any low light options, or ones I'd label as such. It also doesn't address the FPV portion at all either.

I can't see any RC camera options that will fit the listed requirements as going to be cheap any direction you take. In fact, of everything listed the camera and FPV options are probably going to be the ones that drive the costs up a lot. The next hurdle will of course be the altitude issue caused by laws in the USA.
 

RandyDSok

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I'm going to rant again for a bit... to be a "drone" is not describing a specific type of craft, it is a feature that is added to a craft. It is the automation of controlling where a craft is going too and doing while at a location. Here the term craft is any aircraft like an airplane, helicopter or type of multi-copter as well as any ground craft like a car or truck... and also water craft such as boats and subs. All of these types of craft can be automated so all can have drone features added to them.

So if you mean a quad copter that has drone features... they need to be called a quad still if that is what you are talking about otherwise how will someone else actually know what you may mean. Most if not all quads have some sort amount of drone features but not all drones are quads. The club airfield that I was a member of is primarily an airplane club so the majority of "drone" aircraft we had were also airplanes. We did occasionally have quads and heli's but they were limited in numbers at the timeframe I was there.
 
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