450 Derek's Trex 450 Pro DFC
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Slobberdog
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I'm sure I seen the wiring on yours in a post but could not find it for toffee, but it's out the port side if I remember right, maybe it's the vibes from that combined with the wrap, as the airflow goes over it,
This is just a guess mind Derek, something has to be transmitting vibes as I can leave mine alone for a good few seconds and it does nowt, and that's on V3.1 which is tip over Central,
Make sure you give your bearings a light oil as well this will help it greatly with smoothness, I use heli options bearing oil with nano particles, lol
This is just a guess mind Derek, something has to be transmitting vibes as I can leave mine alone for a good few seconds and it does nowt, and that's on V3.1 which is tip over Central,
Make sure you give your bearings a light oil as well this will help it greatly with smoothness, I use heli options bearing oil with nano particles, lol
Derek
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No worries, as far as the bearings....they have all been properly cleaned and re-oiled. Thrust bearings all cleaned and properly re-greased. I'm gonna just remove the wire mesh and be done with it.
The tip over that I had, most recently was on a take off attempt. I had the Castle Ice 50 programmed for super soft start..I think the number was 2. As good as that sounds, 2 is just too soft. It spooled up very nicely and smoothly but there just wasn't enough head speed to get light on the skids. However, there was enough head speed to make the 450 lean to one side really hard.
I hooked up my Castle Link and set the initial spool up to 5...I think.
I'll get that wire mesh taken off and get the servo wires fastened very well via zip ties and we'll try again. I'm working tonight and tomorrow night so I won't get much time to mess with anything until Monday.
The tip over that I had, most recently was on a take off attempt. I had the Castle Ice 50 programmed for super soft start..I think the number was 2. As good as that sounds, 2 is just too soft. It spooled up very nicely and smoothly but there just wasn't enough head speed to get light on the skids. However, there was enough head speed to make the 450 lean to one side really hard.
I hooked up my Castle Link and set the initial spool up to 5...I think.
I'll get that wire mesh taken off and get the servo wires fastened very well via zip ties and we'll try again. I'm working tonight and tomorrow night so I won't get much time to mess with anything until Monday.
Derek
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I'm having a hard time understanding what to do with the motor on my 450. I have a 3600kv motor and, currently, I'm running an 11 tooth pinion. I've had quite a few hovers lately and I've had some great success while working on getting the gyro gains set for normal mode, stunt 1, and stunt 2. I pretty much have normal mode and stunt 1 all set up. I'm still working on getting stunt 2 locked in.
Anyway...my dilemma and question are here.
My dilemma is that I think the motor might be bogging while doing pitch pumps. Trying to do pitch pumps to see if the tail will hold properly.
My question is would the Align 450MX motor (3400kv) really be much different and possibly less motor bog?
Anyway...my dilemma and question are here.
My dilemma is that I think the motor might be bogging while doing pitch pumps. Trying to do pitch pumps to see if the tail will hold properly.
My question is would the Align 450MX motor (3400kv) really be much different and possibly less motor bog?
murankar
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I have the same issue with my setup and Lee suggested the same thing. I have a scorpion 2221-8 3595kv on an 11t pinion. I know I have the grunt but it bogs also while at a 70% flat curve. When I finally go back out I will be trying a v curve.
The v curve will allow the motor to slow down without bogging. Not sure how to explain it. When the motor bogs it slows down while trying to keep the set throttle. When the motor bogs it need more throttle to maintain set throttle. With a v curve the motor is allowed to drop its throttle without bogging because the curve tells it to slow down.
If the gov is working it will add throttle above the curve to maintain set head speed. That's why you need some overhead. On a 450 the gov really is not needed, it can be handled with a v curve.
Hoor this helps.
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The v curve will allow the motor to slow down without bogging. Not sure how to explain it. When the motor bogs it slows down while trying to keep the set throttle. When the motor bogs it need more throttle to maintain set throttle. With a v curve the motor is allowed to drop its throttle without bogging because the curve tells it to slow down.
If the gov is working it will add throttle above the curve to maintain set head speed. That's why you need some overhead. On a 450 the gov really is not needed, it can be handled with a v curve.
Hoor this helps.
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cml001
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I use the V curve on my 450MX motor.. Stock Align ESC.. 90 high, 85 mid, & 90 low stick.. No need for 100% IMO... She pretty dang quick where I've got her. This does keep bogging at bay as throttle is give'n as u give pitch in this set up.. Draw back is that there is no compensation for voltage drop as a gov would. I've got parts for my 450 on the way and am tempted to grab the cc edge 50 so I can use the gov mode. How are u liking yours?
Derek
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I have the CC ICE 50. The programming is very simple and easy to do with the Castle Link. I have the ESC mounted on the right side of the frame, although it might actually fit inside the frame....not sure. I might mess around with the Governor Mode. I have it set with "fixed end points" right now. The spool up is very smooth. It seems to be doing everything its suppose to do. Gotta love it!!!
Derek
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I have a CC 10amp external bec on mine.
I started with the YEP 45amp esc and I had some issues with it that prevented me from flying the 450 "safely." I bought the CC ICE 50 amp ESC and the CC 10 amp BEC, all hooked up, for $60 with shipping. All is good now. I just ran 3 packs through the 450 and had some fun. Still need to get the tail gain dialed in but the 450 is very flyable. The temperatures here are really nice, mid 80's....calm winds. The winds did gust a bit, probably up to 10mph or so. I just tried to time my take offs in between wind gusts and enjoyed the flights. My "baby autos" were a bit bumpy but nothing damaged.
I started with the YEP 45amp esc and I had some issues with it that prevented me from flying the 450 "safely." I bought the CC ICE 50 amp ESC and the CC 10 amp BEC, all hooked up, for $60 with shipping. All is good now. I just ran 3 packs through the 450 and had some fun. Still need to get the tail gain dialed in but the 450 is very flyable. The temperatures here are really nice, mid 80's....calm winds. The winds did gust a bit, probably up to 10mph or so. I just tried to time my take offs in between wind gusts and enjoyed the flights. My "baby autos" were a bit bumpy but nothing damaged.
Derek
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I'm hoping to get a Mobius camera real soon so that I can get video when I'm flying on my own. All in good time, lol. I also think I'll be getting an Ikon for the 450. Not sure when yet but I am getting my vacation check real soon so I might just get the Ikon then. it would just be nice to have all the same flybarless systems. Then I'll pass the 3GX on to someone that really wants a 3GX.