Yes, I would agree with Tony, angle of attack is the only reason an F-104 would fly and most of the reason an F4 Phantom flew (along with a lot of other fighters). 104 had a glide ratio of maybe 1+ and the F4 was 4:1. Not good dead stick favorites with the crews. The KF-3 as I understand it from the creator's website only gets lift at all from the steps and then not very much, but better than a board, and with ailerons I would imagine it would work much better for flight controls as Tony originally made it, than without. Merely RC theory on my part as Tony obviously put some real world thought into the plans. I look forward to building mine in the coming weeks. Tony, is there a difference in the two sets of plans in the store? Lee you have put a lot of work in the plane and your flying is pretty good...better than mine...will you build an aileron wing or aileron version of the plane after you get to Mexico?